Surviving by
sharing
Mother and daughter team find
cooperation the key to survival in new grassroots
democracies
by Stephanie Hiller
"It was incredible to hear them describe how being a part
of this movement had changed their own relationship to
power." -- Anna Lappe speaking of the women in Kenya's Green
Belt Movement.
Frances Moore Lappe came to the
attention of the new age movement with the publication of
her groundbreaking book, Diet for a Small Planet, in
1971. There she argued persuasively that shifting our
dietary preferences towards a plant-based diet was not only
good for our health, but it guaranteed a far more abundant
food supply for our burgeoning population. Demonstrating
that the nutritional value of animal protein may be captured
by combining grains and legumes in the appropriate ratios,
and including a variety of recipes, the book became the
rationale for many new vegetarians. More importantly, it
laid waste to the view that there is a shortage of food;
scarcity, Lappe argued, is the creation of capitalist
economics gone awry.
The significance of this view can
hardly be overstated. But although Lappe's work made its
mark in the growing body of alternative theory, the food
industry, increasingly corporatized, turned a blind
eye.
Lappe wrote many other books along
the same lines, 12 of them to be precise. And in 1999, her
two adult children, observing that their generation remained
uninformed of her discoveries, suggested she embark upon
another, an update of the earlier work designed to attract
the attention of the young. Frances took them up on it. With
her daughter Anna, then 27, she toured the five continents
in search of communities who had begun to take control of
their own resources to produce locally grown, natural
foods.
Published in 2001, Hope's
Edge is a heartening foray into the emerging grassroots
culture of people living close to the land and working
together to provide for their communities. What Anna and her
mother discovered is that in India, in Brazil, in Kenya, as
in California, ordinary people are getting together to live
sustainably, and even the very poor are proving that
cooperation is evolution's best method of
survival.
I met Frances and Anna in San
Francisco last October, when they were getting ready to make
a presentation at a fundraiser for the Women's Foundation.
In a little restaurant up the street, we drank green tea and
talked about their work.
What was your hope in publishing this
book?
Anna: One of our really big hopes
was to take a look at the present and offer people a sequel
to Diet for a Small Planet that would allow people to define
all the complexities of political and economic questions but
define them in a really practical way; something that was
really thought provoking but also gave people a sense that
their actions made a difference,
that their daily
choices have these global ripples.
Frankie: To help people make sense
of things; you know the metaphor of the drop in the bucket
-- if there's a bucket, the bucket fills up fast. Our desire
is to create a bucket to help people see the big container
in which their individual choices are beginning to add
up.
You've talked about how these
communities, scattered across five continents, are
re-creating democracy. You have called it "living
democracy." Can you tell us about that?
Frankie: In some ways, yes, it's
very different from the founders' concepts, the next stage
of the founders concepts, but I do think living democracy is
inherent in some of the best original ideas. Jefferson said,
No one can be happy without participating in public power. I
think that is the theme of living democracy, that it's not
something done to us or for us, but is a way of life; shared
responsibility I think is the key, the next stage in our
evolution of our understanding of democracy. It's embodied
in each of these stories.
Where is living democracy
emerging in this country now?
Frankie: My first thought is a book
I co authored in 1994, The Quickening of America. We look at
education, social services, local government, business, and
illustrated through stories, where living democracy is seen
as something we create together rather than power that is
held over us; and the notion of self-interest as being
relational, and not simply protecting oneself from others
but working with others to realize one's
interests.
The reason we chose that term is
that it suggests something that is living, that is organic,
a verb that we live as well as an adjective.
We were so thrilled when we were in
that little seed room at the foot of the Himalayas [at a
meeting of Navdanya in India], they had independently
come up with those words.
Anna, you're involved with
Unreasonable Women for the Earth. Can you tell us something
about that organization?
It's not an organization, we all are
one already. It's about claiming our inner
unreasonableness.
Diane Wilson lives in the most toxic
county in the entire country. She has been fighting the
chemical companies. The year before last, at the Bioneers
Conference [held each October in San Rafael, CA] she
said, We need more unreasonable women. Look where reason has
gotten us! So a group of us unreasonable women got together
last May for a retreat.
One of the things that really struck
us is feeling this need to support each other as
unreasonable women in doing in whatever we do, whatever way
you embody your vision.
And also, what was clear at the
Bioneers. We invited women to come to a workshop. Of all the
workshops, it was the best attended. More than 1000 people
showed up.
What was so clear is that women were
saying I want to be a part of this.
I heard about the consciousness
raising groups of the 60s. In some ways it's a revival of
that, of realizing the importance of having a network of
strong women.
It's really unstructured. We'd love
it to flourish.
What was the most important
impact this journey had on you in a personal
way?

Frankie What changed me forever but
I really feel that those people are with me forever. I just
feel all those people in Brazil, those people we met are
absolutely indelible
I guess somehow early on in my life,
I gave myself this job description of being the cheer
leader, trying to show people that hunger is not inevitable,
that there are possibilities blah blah blah. It's one thing
to self-assign, and then actually to go, and to be with
these people who are actually doing this, it made these
ideas come alive. All of my life, talking about how human
beings are not simply these materialist consumers, and then
to be around all these people who just assume that everyone
wants to have communities that work for everyone, I guess
that made me believe my rhetoric.
Anna: For me what was really
striking was feeling this deep sense of connection and
similarity in all these different places. It sounds corny
but really feeling this deep connection as a human being. We
so felt that we all really want to connect with one another.
We heard it in so many different languages! I really feel
that I'm being called to do things that are beyond my
comfort zone. It's the faces and the voices of the people in
the book who have given me the courage.
What is the role of women in
these communities?
Anna: We didn't set out to tell the
story of strong women leaders around the world. We knew
about Vandana Shiva in India and Wangari Maathai in Kenya,
but what really struck us is how in every community the
women were really playing leadership roles throughout all of
the different movements. That was especially true in Kenya
in the Green Belt movement. To see what has happened after
years of colonialism and structural adjustment programs by
the IMF, they have really decimated the men's community -- a
lot of the men had been pushed off the land, had gone into
the cities to get work; a lot of the men had alcohol
problems, a lot of the ypung men were going into the
militiary -- we didn't see the presence of a lot of men.
Wangari Maathai's program originally was about tree planting
but it quickly became a woman's empowerment movement, and
she quickly saw that women would take on the power to move
that change. It was incredible to hear them describe how
being a part of this movement had changed their own
relationship to power.
In India, we went to focus on
Vandana Shiva's work, and yet the movement that she is
crafting there is largely a farmer's network, they were all
men. There were some women in New Delhi but in the villages
most of the people involved were men. What we really saw was
there that was really entrenched division. Vandana's sister
is a doctor, and she reported horrific incidence of female
infanticide, so much so that when were there they'd actually
passed a law that prohibited doctors from telling the sex of
the fetuses. The fact that a law had to be instituted
indicates how deep the division is.
A lot of Vandana's work is around
the connections between the feminine and the environmernt,
trying to make these connections between industrialized
monoculture dominating agriculture and the repression of
women But she's still fighting within this
context.
These successful movements, we want
to hang them as perfect, successful in all their different
ways, but they're still moving within an international
cutlure where women were second class citizens
In the Landless Workers Movement in
Brazil, they had started a national dialogue about gender
two years before within the movement. The very first seminar
we attended there, in Parana, was a former nun talking about
what does gender mean, feminism 101, opening that
dialogue
There were about 100 people there, many of
them women, talking about how important it was to have more
women coming to the meeting, the demonstrations
I had
never seen an organization be so honest in grappling with
that question and I was really impressed with
that.
The Grameen bank in Bangladesh does
find that when women are loaned money, they pay it back. But
even though members were women, borrowing the money, their
husbands were stealing the money from them. So a lot of work
is being done to talk about gender.
Anna, do you feel that you
and your generation have been more empowered to take up
leadership?
Anna: What I've seen in my
generation is two really opposite things have happened. I
studied with Ted Sizer, so on the one hand I was really
involved in rethinking how we educate and empower young
people; and, on the other hand, I think we've been witness
to the most disempowering trend, the complete
commercialization of educational space.
How does the threat of war in
Iraq impact your work?
Anna: I feel even more committed to
the work we've been doing, but I also feel a sense of
urgency to get involved to protest the war. I feel our
story, our work, Hope's Edge,is so much related. So much of
the discourse cuts up into separate issues, but they're all
part of the whole picture.
Will the war derail some of the
progress we've made?
Anna: Well yeah. As my friend
Pramila Jayapal of Hate Free Zone in Seattle said, what
we've seen since Sept 11 is a complete erosion of what our
constitution has stood for.
Frankie: One of the themes of the
book is the way that fear operates in our society even
before 9-11 and how driven our society is by fear. I had an
interesting encounter with a Boston cabdriver. He was from
Russia. I asked him how he liked this country, and he said,
"You're all afraid. This whole country is in fear. We were
afraid of the KGB, but you're all afraid of each
other."
This culture of fear is part of the
invisible ether that is unspoken.
We evolved knowing that our survival
depends on staying with the tribe. Expulsion was the
ultimate punishment. Now that our whole culture is on a
death march, survival means separating from the tribe. That
brings up fear. So in a way what we say in Hope's Edge is
that by introducing you to these people we're hoping you'll
vicariously feel part of a new tribe that will give you
courage and succour to be able to listen to yourself and not
just be driven by the fear.
What was it like Frankie,
traveling with your daughter?
I've written 14 books, I co-authored
most of them, but I have to say that my daughter was the
greatest experience. The energy exchange, the ease and the
fun with which we worked things out, it was a dream. I'm
just so fortunate because of the daughter I have, I had such
incredible trust in her competence, she handled some of the
major arrangements. And just to be able to share the
memories of all the crazy things that inevitably happen. We
also did this whole book tour of 30 cities.
No struggles?
Anna: I think when we were
travelling, it really was dream like in how it all happened.
I feel like the universe supported us.
F. We didn't know what we'd
find.
A: I think she felt more of the
pressure and the deadline fear. One of the things we
consciously decided, we wanted the book to have a narrative
voice and we wanted that to be my mother's, but we actually
co-wrote it.
What was it like, Frankie, when
you had young children, juggling all that work and raising a
family?
That's a big topic. One of the
reasons it worked so beautifully is that they have a
fabulous father. Marc Lappe. We divorced when they were
young, but he's been a full parent. When my kids were with
him, that's when I did a lot of the travelling. My life when
they were growing up was pretty much was them and my work. I
didn't have friends. I think I had a baby sitter once.
Because when I had them with me, I didn't want to miss a
second. I took them with me to Guatemala when Anna was 3,
and then we went to Nicaragua together when she was in high
school. I tried wherever possible to involve them in what I
was doing.
A: the work she was doing, she could
bring the work home, so even though she was working, it was
that presence.
In the book you talk about
"thought traps" that limit our ability to envision a
different future, and you refer to the importance of
horizontal relationships or partnerships. It reminds me of
Riane Eisler's new book, The Power of Partnerships. How does
your work relate to the knowledge we now have of the ancient
goddess cultures?
F. I loved the Chalice and the
Blade. I've been recently moved by a book called The
Intimate History of Humanity. His thesis is that it's
only as we develop relationships of partnership between the
genders that we can create living democracy. That's really a
theme of my life, and that's why I feel so hopeful about my
children's generation because I can feel so much the
difference. There's a cultural change. I see that with my
daughter's relationship with her partner and my son as
well.
Anna and Frankie are continuing
their speaking tour to promote this book. Frankie will be
appearing with Vandana Shiva and Helena Nordberg-Hodge at a
conference to be held in India. Anna is also working on her
own writing, and is helping to produce a documentary
"looking at the disappearance what we think of as middle
class, the vanishing American dream." She's also working on
another small book on media and democracy, trying to present
"the context of the crisis of media in the country and
alternatives to it like your publication."
The work of the Lappes is very much
in line with that of other progressive scholars like Helena
Norberg-Hodge, who are emphasizing the importance of local
economies. Next week we will include a review of Helena's
latest book, Bringing the Food Economy
Home.
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